Snowcoaches and snowmobile bans lifted?

Snowmobilers line up Wednesday at the West Entrance of Yellowstone National Park. Under rules now in effect, all snowmobiles in the park must be guided. Snowmobiling information Snowmobilers may not be able to get into Yellowstone National Park, but riding opportunities are still available in the West Yellowstone and Island Park area.

 

A judge´s decision on Tuesday limited snowmobiling in Yellowstone Park to guided tours and snow coaches, but nearby national forests offer hundreds of miles of groomed trails and off-trail riding. “There is lots of riding,” said Marysue Costello, executive director for West Yellowstone Chamber of Commerce. “And the snow this year is so perfect.” Wednesday morning, hundreds of snowmobilers converged on Yellowstone and neighboring Grand Teton, armed with entrance reservations made weeks ago. However, the ruling meant that only riders who were part of commercially guided tours could enter the park. Yellowstone officials said many people with reservations were turned away, but that they were offered refunds. The attorney general of Wyoming, the International Snowmobile Manufacturers Association and a motorized recreation advocacy group moved to challenge a federal court ruling that reinstated a ban on snowmobiles in Yellowstone and Grand Teton national parks

Do skiers hate snowmobiling?

What does snowmobiling have to do with skiing? It depends. Some skiers hate them. Some skiiers regularly use snowmobiles to get into the back country and find that perfect untracked powder. Most ski areas use snowmobiles to get their employees around the area. Many skiers like to take a day off from skiing and hit the snowmobile trails. It is another recreational opportunity that more and morewinter resorts are offering. The December Issue of Ski magazine has an article on snowmobiling.

 

 My partner and I just finished a film titled, Rules of the Snow. It is a 50 minute film which takes a new approach to the subject of snowmobile safety. Rules of the Snow is an excellent introduction to those who are new to the sport and an interesting refresher for those who have snowmobiled for years. It¹s a documentary-style safety film which examines the fun of snowmobiling as well as the major ways that snowmobilers get themselves into trouble. Over thirty experts discuss such topics as: riding on ice, avalanches, speed, racing, snowmobile clubs, obstacles, winter survival, safe riding tips, helicopter rescue, alcohol, rules of the road, safe riding tips, and more. There is also a section on courtesy towards other users on the trail.

Snowmobiling as a non- sport

As far as I know, noisome is not a proper word. Try noisy. As far as snowmobiling being a sport, just because you don’t like something doesn’t make it a non-sport. Also unless you have participated in the activity in question you have no credibility judging whether it is a sport or not. You are probably one of those people who think professional racing drivers are just out for a leisurely Sunday drive and require no athletic ability at all. Please keep your uninformed comments to yourself

 

.I can’t help it if you have a limited vocabulary and/or don’t have a dictionary. Noisome means offensive and disgusting, which is the way I feel about snowmobiles. But you’re right, they are noisy. There are many sports I don’t personally like, hockey being one, but I recognize it as a sport. I just happen to think that a “sport” using an engine is not a sport — fun, perhaps, even requiring skill – as in race car driving, but not a sport.

Classifications of a snowmobile

This isn’t a sport. : It’s a noisome nuisance needed no notice, no not none. Definitions: 1) Recreation – a refreshing of strength or spirits after work; also: a means of refreshment (syn) diversion, entertainment, amusement. 2) Recreational vehicle – n : a vehicle designed for recreational use 3) Sport (1) – To amuse oneself : Frolic Sport (2) – a source of diversion : passtime, physical activity engaged in for pleasure It would seem to me that snowmobiling definately “fits the bill” regarding both the recreation and sport definitions. It is not work, as it is done during personal time and it is done for entertainment and amusement.

 

 A snowmobile is classified by the Department of Natural Resources as a type of RECREATIONAL VEHICLE. And since it is a passtime for many, many people in the snowbelt of many countries, it is a SPORT. No matter if you drive the machine hard or just slowly it is a passtime AND a physical activity engaged in for pleasure.

Creating snowmobiling groups

Before you create an “alt.snowmobiles” group, could someone explain what happened to the vote for “rec.snowmobiles”? The discussion phase seemed to be going fairly well, with only a few side-discussions about the environmental impact of snowmobiles. A “rec” group would get much better distribution than an “alt” group would. Why wasn’t the proposed “rec” group brought to a vote? I’d be willing to vote for it, particularly if it was named “rec.snowmobiles” rather than “rec.sport.snowmobiles”. The rec.sport.* groups are supposed to be for organized/team/competition sportsI don’t think there was ever a vote called for because of some complaints about the environment. Last I remember there was about 25 or so people who wanted the newsgroup and about three who did not and were not afraid to yell about it.

 

 I believe you need 100 votes of yes for the group to be created. There are not that many interested people right now. A rec. group is what we want but most of us would settle for an alt or anything right now. In fact this has gone on for so long that I doubt if the original 25 people are even following this anymore. The person who originally solicited comments on the group (Doug Ritter) probably got disgusted and quit. I have not heard from him in a couple of weeks… I hope he’s just on vacation. It seems a shame that some for of a newsgroup can’t be created… why do you need 100 votes?? What if the following is seasonal and right now there are not that many people interested?? Then theres the environmentalists… well its seems they would want the newsgroup so they can castrate the rest of us for riding such a thing. I’ve often wondered about the environmental impact myself – maybe we DO need education but we need the newsgroup FIRST!! I guess the old adage of live and let live does’ent work anymore… too many telling others how to live

Health issues- snowmobiles

YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK, Montana, November 5, 2002 (ENS) – Employees in the crown jewel of America’s National Park System may need both respirators and ear protection to perform their jobs this winter. Last winter, Yellowstone National Park equipped rangers with respirators to protect their lungs as they worked in kiosks where snowmobiles entering the park spewed pollution containing unhealthy levels of carbon monoxide, benzene, and formaldehyde. Now, some park employees are experiencing hearing loss, and the world’s first national park is instituting a hearing conservation program as the snowmobile season approaches. The park has purchased and is testing high-tech ear protection, battery powered earmuffs that screen out high decibel noise. Park employees will receive training in how to protect their hearing from the roar and whine of snowmobiles.

 

 The Montana Department of Environmental Quality says, “Noise can be a health concern for employees working around snowmobiles, since it can cause hearing loss and increased blood pressure. Studies have shown hearing loss for persons subjected to 73 decibels for eight hours per day over 40 years, or for exposures to 85 decibels over a shorter number of years.” Concerns about the human health impacts from snowmobile use in Yellowstone have been expressed by the Environmental Protection Agency, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, and Physicians for Social Responsibility. Three environmental groups, the Greater Yellowstone Coalition, Natural Trails and Waters Coalition, and The Wilderness Society, warn that even after the fifth comment period in three years to demonstrate overwhelming public support for replacing snowmobile use in Yellowstone with snowcoach access, on November 12, the Bush administration will make public its plan to continue snowmobile use in Yellowstone. After a decade of study, the Park Service decided in November 2000 to institute a gradual phaseout of snowmobile use in Yellowstone, beginning this winter. But the Bush administration withheld implementation of this decision to settle a lawsuit brought by snowmobile manufacturers and the state of Wyoming, which wants to protect tourism dollars. Limitations on snowmobiles in Yellowstone, Bush administration officials have said, will be very strict. Yellowstone will not see “business as usual.” The Park Service “will not allow impairment.” But the three groups say, in draft alternatives issued earlier this year, it was clear that “continued snowmobile use would come with less protection for human health and a heavier toll on Yellowstone and its wildlife.”

Snowmobilers are taxpayers

Snowmobiling Is entering its 50th year as the chosen recreational activity in North America for millions of families. The industry is mature and snowmobiles are more reliable now than ever. All of the manufacturers are introducing new technology vehicles, which are cleaner, quieter, dependable and user friendly with creature comforts exceeding expectations. More females are purchasing new snowmobiles, and in many regions of North America, 40% of all snowmobilers are females.

 

Your snowmobile trail and riding area infrastructure continues to improve with increased support from local governments and Visitors and Convention Bureaus that understand their need to encourage and support the snowmobile activity and the economic impact it generates. High quality resort developers continue to build resort complexes adjacent to snowmobile trails. Public awareness of the technology improvements is leading to a greater acceptance of snowmobiling and the vehicles we ride.

Increasing snowmobiles along certain corridors of the Park

Maybe I didn’t make my point wasn’t clear. There are too many snowmobiles along certain corridors of the Park (West Entrance). Pollution levels are very high along, and adjacent to the road. Moreover, the unburned gas and oil is deposited in the snow and runs into the streams and marshes come spring. Pollution is magnified in winter Yellowstone because of the intense winter high pressure that holds fog, steam, smoke, and snomobiles emissions close to the ground. During a low pressure time (a storm), there is no problem.

 

Nobody planned for this situation emerge. The Park Service grossly underestimated both the number of snowmobiles that would come and the impact each ones has, but I don’t think we should wait for the 4-cycle snowmobiles to stop this problem. Snowmobiles have too high an impact given how many people want to come to Yellowstone in the winter. I’m sure winter Yellowstone would have the same beauty and wonder you describe when viewed from a snowcoach, which would I imagine would stop at scenic places and let people out to wait for the next coach, to ski, to snowshoe, to take photos, gawk at geysers and wildlife, etc. I know they make these 4-cycle snowmobiles I have friend with stock in one of the companies.

Snowmobiler issues dying out

I’d argue that if you lived near the park and were an avid snowmobiler, you moist likely have seen the vista’s and views in the park as a tourist and most likely have the whole area outside the park as a much more expansive playground. I base this argument on the stories and comments of snowmobiling friends of mine that live close to the area…many, if not ALL of them claim there are much better places to go play in the snow outside that park.

 

They go to the park for much the same reasons as everyone else in the winter…to see the beauty of the park and it’s thermal features in winter, they happen to like the personal mode of transportation the snowmobile affords. (similar to motorcyclists in summer as opposed to say an auto that might house more than one or two passengers) One cannot (in my opinion) recreate in the park, in the winter as one would in the summer months, at least on a snowmobile as you either spend your time on the road or walking up to view the thermal features or you spend it in a lodge or cabin. You don’t have the same recreation options as a summer visitor. (one could ski…but then that’s no longer a snowmobiler issue…right?

Being a snowmobile fanatic in southern Ohio

Being a snowmobile fanatic in southern Ohio is a difficult proposition at best! Weekend trips are almost out of the question for me – if it’s not at least 3 days, it isn’t worth the bother. But there are places in Ohio where you can ride, and in fact, the NE corner of the state is a pretty good spot, with the lake effect snow and rolling hills overlooking Lake Erie. It’s kind of a toss-up for me though – it takes 4 hours to get there and it takes 6 hours to get to Cadillac Michigan – so for 4 extra hours of driving I can get to *real* snowmobiling.

 

that’s only two-cups-of-coffee worth! During good snow years there can be a decent snowcover as far south as Grand Lake St. Marys, and if the lake freezes, there’s a lot of snowmobiling done there and on the surrounding farmland – not the most scenic place, but if you’re desperate to ride . . . So I hope to take a few daytrips to St. Marys and Mohican State Park near Mansfield. Then I want to get up to Michigan three or four times for three days (or longer) at a time. I’d like to try Indian River this winter – I hope to talk my wife into going along on that trip, but she’s not a big fan of the sport. And I definitely want to hit at least one winter carnival – Houghton Lake has (or had) a really good one sometime in January – to ride the new sleds.