Snowmobile engine conditions

As far as I know, noisome is not a proper word. Try noisy. As far as snowmobiling being a sport, just because you don’t like something doesn’t make it a non-sport. Also unless you have participated in the activity in question you have no credibility judging whether it is a sport or not. You are probably one of those people who think professional racing drivers are just out for a leisurely Sunday drive and require no athletic ability at all. Please keep your uninformed comments to yourself.

 

I can’t help it if you have a limited vocabulary and/or don’t have a dictionary. Noisome means offensive and disgusting, which is the way I feel about snowmobiles. But you’re right, they are noisy. There are many sports I don’t personally like, hockey being one, but I recognize it as a sport. I just happen to think that a “sport” using an engine is not a sport — fun, perhaps, even requiring skill – as in race car driving, but not a sport. Oh, and I have participated in snowmobiling, so I guess that gives me credibility. And as to “uninformed comments,” simply because my thoughts on this matter don’t meet with your approval does not make them uninformed. Last I heard, darling, this is a democratic forum.

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Snowmobile Association newspapers

As far as week-long (or longer) trips, the outlook is bleak. I’d like to get to upstate New York, I’ve heard that Potter County Pennsylvania is a good spot to ride, and I still miss riding in northern Wisconsin. The closest “mecca” to me though is the UP – the next time I’m able to plan a week-long trip, that’s where I’ll be headed. Yellowstone is on my list of “wanna-goes”, but it won’t happen this winter. It’ll probably have to wait until the kids are old enough to ride. I think the trip you are asking about is called the Colorado Tour. Its put together every year by Jack Sheets and Jack Welch. They’ve been doing this for around 15 years. The “border to border” ride was just started two years ago.

 

It started in Wyoming and ended in New Mexico. It took two weeks. Last year they redid the lower half, starting from the center of the state and ending in New Mexico, this took one week. They offer really neat trips in different parts of the state, and have recently ventured in to Wyoming (last year) for one week trips. Sometimes they put together these longer rides, sometimes it is a series of shorter 3 and 4 day destination (where you have to carry your gear and don’t see your tow vehicle for a while) rides. I’ve gone with them the last six years or so. There are frequent write ups in the Colorado Snowmobile Association newspaper, the Snow Scoop. You can contact Jack Sheets at home at (719) 593-0711. These rides offer something for all abilities. Normal size of the group is around 50 sleds. They usually break in to smaller groups (hot dogs, boondockers, trail riders) each with a guide from the local club and all end up at the same place for a great dinner….

Issue of the public use of snowmobiles in National Parks

What is obvious is that you are a consistent knee-jerk advocate of the degradation of the National Parks. Dave, one of the things that makes your posts so much fun to read and collect is your ability in just a few words to, stereotype, demonize, and generalize. In the above, your phrase “advocate of the degradation of the National Parks” uses the plural “parks”. Relative to the issue of the public use of snowmobiles in National Parks, my only interest is one park, Yellowstone; something you should have known if you had either been reading this newsgroup attentively, or read the posting history carefully.

 

You have failed to do either. What you did do is tell me what I advocate, rather than asking me what I advocate. Read the history; stop speaking from ignorance. Your game is to repost very selectively other people’s pro motorhead fluff pieces Please cite examples of these “fluff pieces”. Please cite by URL examples of pieces I was probably aware of and did not post. By any chance would one of those fluff pieces to which you refer be the YNP/GTNP Winter Use Plan FEIS? Have you read it?

Exposure to snowmobile pollution with data

In order for data to be used to determine compliance with NAAQS, it must be collected according to standardized sampling methods outline in The Code of Federal Regulations, Title 40, Parts 53 and 58. Sampling locations must meet proper siting criteria in order to assure that the data is representative of ambient air.

 

The sampling criteria include placing the sampling probe at a height of approximately ten feet and at a distance of at least seven to thirty feet from the edge of the nearest traffic lane. Additionally, the probe must be at least 33 feet from the nearest intersection. There is currently a properly sited and maintained CO monitor located at the West Entrance to Yellowstone National park, operated by the Montana Department of Environmental Quality (MDEQ).

 

And, while relatively high CO measurements have been recorded by the MDEQ, they have never exceeded the national or Montana standards. So, why do some organizations believe that NAAQS have been exceeded in Yellowstone National Park? The MDEQ testimony explains this. Many organizations continue to confuse data taken to determine personal exposure to snowmobile pollution with data taken to determine degradation of ambient air.

Are most snowmobilers tourists?

Judging from comments from mountain riders out west in RSS, many of them do make an annual ride in Yellowstone, but it ain’t for the riding. With all the regulations (speed limits, access restrictions, cost, etc..) most serious riding (ya know, riding to ride) is done outside the park. While I agree that looking at wheeled vehicle violations outside the park aren’t representative (I see anywhere from 10-20 un-citated jackasses every morning on my commute to work), I fail to see why you think wheeled (all) vs. snowmobiles isn’t a valid comparison.

 

What do they have in common? They are both restricted to park roads (where the grass don’t grow). They both are the preferred mode of transport for their respective seasons. I would not agree. As stated earlier, the restrictions in the park would not be an invite for hardcore riders. I think a breakdown of violators (rentals vs. personal machines) would help to answer whether the typical rider is a tourist or a snowmobiler. My guess would be the overwhelming majority (maybe 80-90%) are tourists

Percent of snomobiles entering the park

According to the DSEIS (and included in the pages I referenced), skiing ranks about sixth of the list of popular winter activities. Twenty to thirty percent of park visitors ski and/or snowshoe. Also note that about 90% of winter visitors to Yellowstone’s interior (Old Faithful area, the grand loop, etc.)

 

enter the park by snowmobile Four citations a day. Four tenths of one percent of snomobiles entering the park, or one in 250. ; less than 1% by ski or showshoe.I sort of answered that above (below?, over there?) with an educated guess that the summer catch rate is a whole lot lower than the winter’s because of volumes. That doesn’t tell us anything about the attitudes of the folks driving the various vehicles. To me the question is what impact are these different groups having on the park; and since I’m the guy picking the statistics today, here are two for you (both from page 239 of the FEIS):

snowmobilers who play by the rules

Divine emphasized that there are plenty of snowmobilers who play by the rules. “I know a lot of snowmobilers who really appreciate the park and are embarrassed by this inappropriate use,” she said. Environmental groups seized on this year’s figures, saying that even though the Department of Interior spent more money for snowmobile enforcement and education, more problems cropped up.

 

This is more evidence that snowmobile use is harming Yellowstone,” said Alex Rauschman of the Natural Trails and Waters Coalition. “The administration said it could ‘mitigate’ the harmful effects of snowmobiles to public safety, wildlife and other park resources. Instead, at greater expense to taxpayers, snowmobile problems increased.” The National Park Service, after a lawsuit from the snowmobiling industry, is rethinking a proposal to phase snowmobiles out of the park.

 

Although sleds were scheduled to be banned after next season, the Park Service recently pushed that deadline back for at least a year. A Park Service study released earlier this year listed concerns about snowmobile use in the park but didn’t take a firm stance on whether they should be phased out. That decision is expected in November.

Considering speed limit while snowmobiling

You should be aware that they do inforce the speed limit and that they are very serious about your not interfering with the wildlife. Respect is the key word in the Park. Also, if you take your own machine, and you have “modified” it, there are some rules that you have to be aware of… the one that I had a problem with is that if your track is cleated, you have to have a snow flap which touches the ground on a packed trail. Also, you can only ride on the trails, no off-trail riding in the park. I just got back from the International Falls and the Voyageurs National Park area.

 

They have lots of snow up there, and it was snowing and -15 degrees when we left on 1/15/96. ( It is suppose to warm up though ) We put on over 500 miles in three days, and we were not riding that hard since there was football to watch on Sunday, and we had to work on a couple of Polaris’s that had broken down.  Those guys would not agree with your .sig Mark!!! All in all, alot of fun, but watch your speed on the lakes, the speed limit of 55 MPH up there is strictly enforced. But when you have a lake that is over 20 miles long, it is sure hard to keep it at 55 MPH!!

Tips on ontario snowmobiling

Can anyone tell me about snowmobiling in Yellowstone? I took a day trip out of Flagg Ranch a couple of years ago when I was in Jackson for a ski vacation. It was the first time ever on a snowmobile for me. At first, 45 mph might as well have been the speed of light, but I admit I exceeded the limit to get back to the rental shop on time. I visited the Yellowstone Canyon area. I could have gone to Old Faithful instead.

 

It’s not quite as far, but on a different road, and considerably more crowded. I still had hot springs to visit, the Lake, and the waterfalls. I even had a bison pass within 3 feet of me. When you see wildlife in the winter, especially wildlife that can disassemble you, you stop your motor and wait for the beast to pass. I’d recommend the trip. However, the goodies in Yellowstone are some distance from the borders, and you spend a considerable portion of your limited time merely transporting yourself there from the concessioner. Next time I would like to arrange for a longer rental period and stay overnight in the park.

Responsible development and use of Ontario Snowmobile Trails

The OFSC is committed to a leadership role in fostering the environmentally responsible development and use of Ontario Snowmobile Trails by working with Stakeholders through a sustained program of dedicated funding, research, public education and innovative special projects. The Canadian Council of Snowmobile Organizations (CCSO/CCOM) is committed to the conservation and preservation of Canada’s natural environment.

 

To that end, the Council will play an important role in affecting future decisions concerning its use and protection.CCSO – Code of Ethics and National Policy. While ensuring that Canada’s natural environment will always remain accessible to Canadian snowmobilers, we must continue to minimize our impact on the environment while carrying out activities to protect endangered species and habitats and to preserve all of these lands for future generations to enjoy. Through the development and implementation of the National Environment Stewardship Program the CCSO/CCOM will allocate both financial and personnel resources, as available,

 

to ensure that issues related to the snowmobiling lifestyle, including environmental, economic and social, are properly identified and addressed at all levels. Since 1992, the OFSC has invested $1.5 Million in projects to improve our environment and to assist clubs in minimizing environmental impacts.